Dogs: Beyond the Lab
Dogs: Beyond the Lab

Dogs: Beyond the Lab

Tens of thousands of dogs are still part of laboratory research in the United States and Canada. A small number of them make it out.

After years, they leave research facilities and enter a world they were never prepared for: sanctuaries, foster homes, adoption, backyards, neighborhood walks, choices, freedom — and a chance to discover who they are beyond the lab.

What follows is the part most people never see: the delicate process of learning how to live in a world that is entirely new. At the heart of this, is the people willing to walk through it all with them — their first real family.

This story is about former research beagles and their people, but it is also about something bigger. It's about what each of our dogs ask of us, and who we become in the process.

About the Hosts

John Ramer

John has spent years providing sanctuary and finding homes for animals retired from research. As Executive Director of the nation's largest sanctuary focused on former research animals, he creates real pathways out of the lab — working with lawmakers on policy, collaborating with veterinarians, institutions, and organizations seeking humane options once their work is done.

Lori Cohen

Lori has spent years bringing national attention to animal research in Canada. As the leader of Canada's only nonprofit focused exclusively on former research beagles, she facilitates placement pathways through advocacy, public education, and direct work around rehoming and transition — and is deeply committed to supporting fosters and adopters throughout the process.

Chelsey Marino

Chelsey is a Behavior Specialist and Co-Founder of Keeper & Kin — North America's only training and rehabilitation program built specifically for former research dogs. Her expertise is trusted by veterinarians, rescue organizations, and professionals handling some of the most severe behavioral cases across the U.S. and Canada.

Recent Episodes

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Sept. 28, 2026

In the Lion’s Den: Brandon Wilder on the Ethics of Animal Research

John, Lori and Chelsey are joined by Brandon Wilder, to discuss animal research and the lives of the animals involved. We ask Brandon the difficult questions: When is animal research justified? Who decides whether an experiment is necessary? And how do we account for an animal’s well-being during research and long after it ends? Brandon shares what drives his work, where he believes research practices need to improve, and why he hopes emerging methods could help reduce the use of animals. We a
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Sept. 15, 2026

Joe Bailey's Lessons from Presley

Joe Bailey didn't plan on becoming an advocate for former research dogs — he just wanted a beagle. On this episode of Dogs Beyond The Lab, hosts Chelsey Marino (Keeper and Kin), Lori Cohen (The Beagle Alliance), and John Ramer (Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary) hear how a two-week notice from the Beagle Freedom Project brought Presley, a six-and-a-half-year-old beagle straight off an Oklahoma breeding farm, into Joe's Los Angeles home. Joe taught him stairs, leashes and how to eat slowly, and lea
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Aug. 31, 2026

Raising Kane: the Anxiety the Milestones, and the Love…

John Ramer, Chelsey Marino, and Lori Cohen talk with Alice and Dima about Kane, a senior lemon beagle rescued from Kindness Ranch Animal Sanctuary.
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Aug. 17, 2026

Badger, Gabe, and Kai: How Three Beagles Rewrote One Family’s Life

Rob Wadd joins Dogs Beyond the Lab to share the profound journey of Gabe, a former research beagle whose life was transformed by love, patience, and community. Rob recounts how he and his wife Sharon moved from life with Badger—their confident, well-adjusted beagle—to adopting Gabe, a deeply traumatized ex-lab dog terrified of ordinary things like doorways, wind, darkness, and TV. With Badger as a mentor and Sharon as his anchor, Gabe slowly learned safety, routine, and trust, from four-hour bac